Let us leave innocents like Gary Lineker out of this. I am an Irishman whose land was conquered by the Normans in 1169. We got most of it back in 1922 but not all of it. The remaining section, Ulster, is still occupied by Scottish Protestant settlers who took over the land of the dispossessed Catholics sometime after King James 1 took over the crown of England in 1603. If the analogy with the Jewish diaspora has failed to make the comparison I apologise. Palestine and the land of Israel is as complicated today as the Troubles in Northern Ireland were between 1969 and the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. With one exception, the total inability of most of the Western World to understand how Israel can be bombing Gaza despite knowing that most of the victims are totally innocent. When Gary talks about Palestine, this is what he is talking about.
Then you of all people should empathise with the zionists, a group whose forebears were cleansed from their homeland by members of your faith - among others - and subsequently returned under sanction of the UN
Are you suggesting that if the Irish government started bombing Northern Ireland, knowing that the majority of the victims would be innocent civilians, that action would be justified. The Jewish people were nomads, as were most of us, when they decided to settle in what is today known as Palestine. They took what is believed to be the oldest city ever created, Jericho, and settled in twelve tribal areas. It is recorded that King David conquered two villages Jeru and Salem and merged them to create his capital city. He also recorded the four sacks of foreskins his army had taken from the fallen enemy to prove that he was fighting non-Jews. The point I am making is that the area belongs to those who live in it, and that includes the Palestinians. Ethnic cleansing is against international law.
The British colonised the US and Israel was just another colony (now an Anglo-US one). Churchill (in charge of the mid-east at the time 1917) was a raging antisemite and wanted Jews out of Europe - yep - just like Hitler. The only Jewish member of the British cabinet - Montagu - was dead set against a Jewish state (as was Freud, Einstein and many prominent Jews who tried to talk the British Establishment out of it) warned that a) you couldn't just shift 800,000 Arabs out; b) the Jews would never be forgiven and c) Jews were perfectly assimilated worldwide as were Catholics, Protestants, Muslims etc. He believed separating them out was a huge mistake and he was right. Following WWII only 60,000 Jewish people came over (there were 500,000 Jews in Austria and Germany post WWII who could have come) to Palestine. Most went to the US, Russia or stayed in Europe - because they were Europeans not used to the desert. They have since been used as human shields by the Anglo-US colony. As JFK Jr puts it 'Israel is useful to us - like having an aircraft carrier in the mid-least'. Ben-Gurion believed the old Arabs would die and the young would forget. Only they didn't. And now, neither will the rest of the world.
Please address this question. If some refugees from Europe (before, during and after the War) needed refugee status in Palestine, were they entitled to that status? And what happened in reality? Those questions are answerable without reference to Zionism.
One minute you say :“Ulster is still occupied by Scottish Protestant settlers who took over the land of the dispossessed Catholics sometime after King James 1 …….”
Then the next minute it is: “The point I’m making is that the area belongs to those who live in it, ….”
This historical illiteracy on an epic scale - ignorance of both the ancient and modern world. Genocidal terrorism and hostage taking is also against international law, you do realise? Right?
You’re nothing but a terrorism fan boy. Get to fuck dirty little racist. And sorry your brave “resistance” warriors have been shredded by Israel lol - cry more you waste of space
Do you accept an African immigrant who just got his Republic citizenship as a legitimate Irish compatriot? While going back to 1169 is still not good enough for others...
Its strange how "progressives" are so delighted to accept belonging and legitimacy for some while digging into CENTURIES of history to deny it to others. Looks rather selective, suspiciously so...
I come from a nation conquered, colonised, subject to imperial rule and recent genocide. Get over it mate - I can. Millions can too.
Indeed, see the orgy of rape and murder of October 7. The moral of the story is don't start a new round of war and then hide behind civilian infrastructure while proclaiming intent to repeat again and again.
The video evidence of the presence of the attackers and the mutilated bodies that wer recovered , not to mention accounts given by survivors, are clear evidence that your narrative is false. Indeed, UN Women have acknowledged this was such sexualised atrocity.
Nope, you have just made that up. UN Women reported on this matter following their visit to the country; they were presented with forensic evidence as well as meetings with survivors; and none of the Israeli organs have debunked the witnesses.
Desperate stuff. I'd be amazed that there is any real evidence when it would have been trumpeted to the skies in the anti-Israel press. With your base lies, you are tacitly acknowledging the horror of what was perpetrated on October 7. Remember, it was not just the so-called trained fighters, but also many other "heroes" from Gaza, who committed these atrocities and gleefully celebrated them afterwards. Images of the "innocent" civilians abusing the living and dead hostages also come to mind.
Mike just thinks that if he has any imaginary hurt , that means he has permission to destroy anyone he is racist towards ….such as their house , their neighbours, their schools, their hospitals , their farms, their village , their towns , their places of worship , their graveyards
Sure, there is racist scum among Israel. The majority of Israel sees these men as scum. But it sounds like you think the marauding, mutilating rapists and killers on the other side are AOK. And that the poor Gazans would rise up against Gamas and its atrocities. Even though 75% support them. In your logic, Israel would be within its rights to depict Gazans as goat-fuckers who let a malicious army sacrifice their babies for Hamas rather than
Howard really is an extraordinarily articulate moral compass; the closest thing the British Jewish community has to a laureate.
Every time I read his writing, I feel smarter and more at peace. An amazing distillation of all the complex & conflicting thoughts bouncing around my head.
Weird kind of genocide when the Palestinian population of Gaza has risen five-fold since the 1967 six day war when the Israeli occupation began to over two million.
Let’s try and avoid Linekeresque ignorance in our catchphrases if we want to find solutions and common ground.
No common ground possible with such IslamoNazis, pathetic ignorant losers desperately clinging to the Jew scapegoat to blame for everything wrong in their miserable lives.
Actually it's the Zionist colonialists who are hiding behind Judaism. Ben-Gurion, Golda, Begin....none of these people believed in God. They just wanted to expand the British colony under the guise of a home for the Jews. None of them followed Judaism and they were all European - no DNA connection to the Levant whatsoever. Ditto Netanyahu (Poland), Smothrich (Ukraine) and most of the Knesset.
Oh don’t worry about me. Exposing Jew haters for who they truly are - pathetic ignorant losers desperately clinging to the Jew scapegoat to blame for all their life’s failures - is my small contribution to the millennia old fight against the worlds most ancient hatred.
Sadly, the phenomenon of the self hating “kapo Jew” is not uncommon throughout Jewish history. Whether through profound ignorance or some deep seated psychological need (ie Stockholm Syndrome) such individuals turn their backs on their own people, land, culture and history. What they never understand until it is too late is that there is no great success in being on the last train to Auschwitz.
Why must someone expressing concern for what is happening in Gaza a Hamas supporter? Can they also hate the actions of Hamas and the actions of the government of Israel? For the record I pray that the Israeli hostages are returned safely to their families amid this genocide
“The perpetrators of the “Gaza Genocide” hoax may or may not believe a genocide is actually happening. If they do believe it, they are ignorant of either the definition of the term or what is happening in Gaza, or both. If they don’t believe it but use it as a weapon, they are sadists, not human rights activists.”
Got a few things wrong this week, Gary. After Supreme Court made it clear, he doesn't know what a woman is or why women's football must be female only. Not a good look
There is no genocide. However, Hamas' Charter specifies genocide of Zionists = Jews. Follow Jewish Chronicle, Jewish News, Times of Israel. Plus Honest Reporting, CAMERA, Aizenberg, Henry Jackson Society, Hillel Neuer/UN Watch. Plus General Andrew Fox and John Spencer for military analysis.
Considering at least half the world’s Zionists are actually evangelical Christians, not all Zionists can be Jews.
And Not all Jews are Zionists. Gabor Mate, Norman Finklestein, Max Blumenthal.
Especially in America , there are now so many young Jewish people becoming more anti Zionist because the state of Israel is an apartheid and genocidal state … read AI, HRW, B’Tselem
In comparison to Hamas, the death and destruction committed Israel is beyond comprehension.
“The perpetrators of the “Gaza Genocide” hoax may or may not believe a genocide is actually happening. If they do believe it, they are ignorant of either the definition of the term or what is happening in Gaza, or both. If they don’t believe it but use it as a weapon, they are sadists, not human rights activists.”
I know people in Gaza Pat. They send videos from their phones of their houses being blown up, their neighbours' kid's covered in blood, the constant moving, the bombed tents. It isn't a hoax. And denying it is no more acceptable than denying the Holocaust. People are murdered by war - it shouldn't matter who it is - the same people benefit every time; arms dealers, financiers, lobbyists, child-traffickers and money launderers. The fact that people always want to take one side or the other - is why there are so many conflicts.
It’s a damn shame that the government they elected is a fanatical jihadist death cult whose entire raison d’etre is the extermination of the Jews, and who turned their entire country over two decades - with billions of donated international funds - into the largest and most complex terror state in the world.
Actions have consequences. And tragically, the worse the actions the more terrible the consequences.
The Hamas Charter says nothing about the extermination of the Jews - their argument is with the Zionist colonisers (British Empire) who hide behind Jews and Judaism. The death cult are the Satanists who wish to bring the Devil in. But yes, Israel is the largest terror state in the world - probably why they financed Hamas. Anyone seeking to justify what's going on in Gaza, has no soul.
Let’s call it ethnic cleansing, extermination, destruction of hospitals , destruction of all vegetation, destruction of water supplies , a siege , starvation, destruction of mosques and churches , destructrion of maternity hospital containing 4000 embryos.
Hmm…. And what was the condition of all this lovely infrastructure on Oct 6?
It’s a damn shame that the government the Gazsns elected is a fanatical jihadist death cult whose entire raison d’etre is the extermination of the Jews, and who turned their entire country over two decades - with billions of donated international funds - into the largest and most complex terror state in the world.
Actions have consequences. And tragically, the worse the actions the more terrible the consequences.
Actually that's not what the Charter says. It says: '16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity'.
Hamas' actions on October 7th were clearly genocidal and far from hypothetical. They'd kill every Jew in the Middle East if they could; I agree they lack capacity to do so
Don't be ridiculous. Hamas is a resistance to an occupation. If Palestine was occupied by Martians, they'd attack the Martians, just as the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel to rid Palestine of the British Occupation. Resistance follows Occupation as night follows day.
Essays like this, while indispensable, invariably attract the odd handful of ignorant Jew-hating morons and Islamist terror supporters (like Lineker, but not as adept at kicking a ball around), who willfully expose themselves every time with their gibbering stupidity and bile. See above & below for proof.
Excellent, as ever. Yet more wilful misrepresentation of an intractable conflict by a despicable, dyed-in-the-wool antisemite. Though you couldn’t possibly say that, Howard… ;-)
This was very thin gruel. Poor Howard, all upset cos a footie guy is direct with his support for the Palestinians. The rat image was only ever used by the Nazis and isn’t a long standing trope of historical Jew hatred, most would not know this, and Lineker makes no pretence of being well read. Trying to be the smarter dude when genocide is all around is a dismal show of learning and letters. Save your reputation and apologise for this crass tract.
The right wing Israeli government bombing and starving the shit out of people in their homeland is not justified by saying the Jews suffered under Naziism. Black Lives Matter because they shouldn’t be discriminated against in their own home country. Lineker is no match for your intellectualism - neither am I - but thankfully plenty of Jews are also against the war in Gaza - wheeling out old tropes and explaining why you’re offended misses the point. The Israelies are living in a reality of their own creation, they have considerable power and back up in this scenario with which to negotiate with the Arabs and bring about peace.
Jacobson nails it.
Does he fuck
A wonderful piece by the insightful and amazing Howard Jacobson.
Are you a relative. He never could write.
Let us leave innocents like Gary Lineker out of this. I am an Irishman whose land was conquered by the Normans in 1169. We got most of it back in 1922 but not all of it. The remaining section, Ulster, is still occupied by Scottish Protestant settlers who took over the land of the dispossessed Catholics sometime after King James 1 took over the crown of England in 1603. If the analogy with the Jewish diaspora has failed to make the comparison I apologise. Palestine and the land of Israel is as complicated today as the Troubles in Northern Ireland were between 1969 and the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. With one exception, the total inability of most of the Western World to understand how Israel can be bombing Gaza despite knowing that most of the victims are totally innocent. When Gary talks about Palestine, this is what he is talking about.
Then you of all people should empathise with the zionists, a group whose forebears were cleansed from their homeland by members of your faith - among others - and subsequently returned under sanction of the UN
Are you suggesting that if the Irish government started bombing Northern Ireland, knowing that the majority of the victims would be innocent civilians, that action would be justified. The Jewish people were nomads, as were most of us, when they decided to settle in what is today known as Palestine. They took what is believed to be the oldest city ever created, Jericho, and settled in twelve tribal areas. It is recorded that King David conquered two villages Jeru and Salem and merged them to create his capital city. He also recorded the four sacks of foreskins his army had taken from the fallen enemy to prove that he was fighting non-Jews. The point I am making is that the area belongs to those who live in it, and that includes the Palestinians. Ethnic cleansing is against international law.
You’re a perfect example of the kind of gibbering ignoramus this essay is about, and why Ireland is a joke. Go fuck yourself, Hamas-supporter.
The British colonised the US and Israel was just another colony (now an Anglo-US one). Churchill (in charge of the mid-east at the time 1917) was a raging antisemite and wanted Jews out of Europe - yep - just like Hitler. The only Jewish member of the British cabinet - Montagu - was dead set against a Jewish state (as was Freud, Einstein and many prominent Jews who tried to talk the British Establishment out of it) warned that a) you couldn't just shift 800,000 Arabs out; b) the Jews would never be forgiven and c) Jews were perfectly assimilated worldwide as were Catholics, Protestants, Muslims etc. He believed separating them out was a huge mistake and he was right. Following WWII only 60,000 Jewish people came over (there were 500,000 Jews in Austria and Germany post WWII who could have come) to Palestine. Most went to the US, Russia or stayed in Europe - because they were Europeans not used to the desert. They have since been used as human shields by the Anglo-US colony. As JFK Jr puts it 'Israel is useful to us - like having an aircraft carrier in the mid-least'. Ben-Gurion believed the old Arabs would die and the young would forget. Only they didn't. And now, neither will the rest of the world.
Please address this question. If some refugees from Europe (before, during and after the War) needed refugee status in Palestine, were they entitled to that status? And what happened in reality? Those questions are answerable without reference to Zionism.
One minute you say :“Ulster is still occupied by Scottish Protestant settlers who took over the land of the dispossessed Catholics sometime after King James 1 …….”
Then the next minute it is: “The point I’m making is that the area belongs to those who live in it, ….”
Occupied or live in it? Which one?
This historical illiteracy on an epic scale - ignorance of both the ancient and modern world. Genocidal terrorism and hostage taking is also against international law, you do realise? Right?
And ICC arrests warrants were issued for them also.
Can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or, but yes , the Israeli state are the biggest purveyors of genocidal terrorism and kidnapping .
You’re nothing but a terrorism fan boy. Get to fuck dirty little racist. And sorry your brave “resistance” warriors have been shredded by Israel lol - cry more you waste of space
Such a shame , that get so emotional when your cognitive dissonance gets pierced.
I think you will find Zionism is racist colonial settler ideology.
And yes I do cry when innocent women and children are murdered by a genocidal state. Why don’t you ?
Do you accept an African immigrant who just got his Republic citizenship as a legitimate Irish compatriot? While going back to 1169 is still not good enough for others...
Its strange how "progressives" are so delighted to accept belonging and legitimacy for some while digging into CENTURIES of history to deny it to others. Looks rather selective, suspiciously so...
I come from a nation conquered, colonised, subject to imperial rule and recent genocide. Get over it mate - I can. Millions can too.
Also who here has disavowed the right of Palestinian Arabs to live there?
Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, Netanyahu and 50% of the Knesset.
In modern warfare the majority of victims are generally civilians…
Indeed, see the orgy of rape and murder of October 7. The moral of the story is don't start a new round of war and then hide behind civilian infrastructure while proclaiming intent to repeat again and again.
There was no orgy of rape. In fact there is not a single piece of evidence that there was and systemic rape on October 7th.
The video evidence of the presence of the attackers and the mutilated bodies that wer recovered , not to mention accounts given by survivors, are clear evidence that your narrative is false. Indeed, UN Women have acknowledged this was such sexualised atrocity.
On the contrary, they were found to be lying. Even Ha'aretz, Times of Israel and the Times have reported on that. Catch up Mike.
Nope, you have just made that up. UN Women reported on this matter following their visit to the country; they were presented with forensic evidence as well as meetings with survivors; and none of the Israeli organs have debunked the witnesses.
There is actually more evidence of IDF soldiers raping and killing Palestinians.
In fact there is actual video evidence, and when an IDF soldier was charged with offences, he was lauded on TV as a hero.
Desperate stuff. I'd be amazed that there is any real evidence when it would have been trumpeted to the skies in the anti-Israel press. With your base lies, you are tacitly acknowledging the horror of what was perpetrated on October 7. Remember, it was not just the so-called trained fighters, but also many other "heroes" from Gaza, who committed these atrocities and gleefully celebrated them afterwards. Images of the "innocent" civilians abusing the living and dead hostages also come to mind.
⬆️Jew-hating scum⬆️
⬆️Jew-hating scum⬆️
You wouldn't know a moral if you fell over it Mike.
Mike just thinks that if he has any imaginary hurt , that means he has permission to destroy anyone he is racist towards ….such as their house , their neighbours, their schools, their hospitals , their farms, their village , their towns , their places of worship , their graveyards
So think it’s acceptable for all including Israeli civilians to die ?
You are sick
https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm
Sure, there is racist scum among Israel. The majority of Israel sees these men as scum. But it sounds like you think the marauding, mutilating rapists and killers on the other side are AOK. And that the poor Gazans would rise up against Gamas and its atrocities. Even though 75% support them. In your logic, Israel would be within its rights to depict Gazans as goat-fuckers who let a malicious army sacrifice their babies for Hamas rather than
Howard really is an extraordinarily articulate moral compass; the closest thing the British Jewish community has to a laureate.
Every time I read his writing, I feel smarter and more at peace. An amazing distillation of all the complex & conflicting thoughts bouncing around my head.
Yikes. What a convoluted way to say that you support genocide and the murder and rape of children, Jacobson.
Weird kind of genocide when the Palestinian population of Gaza has risen five-fold since the 1967 six day war when the Israeli occupation began to over two million.
Let’s try and avoid Linekeresque ignorance in our catchphrases if we want to find solutions and common ground.
No common ground possible with such IslamoNazis, pathetic ignorant losers desperately clinging to the Jew scapegoat to blame for everything wrong in their miserable lives.
Actually it's the Zionist colonialists who are hiding behind Judaism. Ben-Gurion, Golda, Begin....none of these people believed in God. They just wanted to expand the British colony under the guise of a home for the Jews. None of them followed Judaism and they were all European - no DNA connection to the Levant whatsoever. Ditto Netanyahu (Poland), Smothrich (Ukraine) and most of the Knesset.
Uhuh.
Not sure which fantasy world your Jew hating brain inhabits, but it sure isn’t the real one.
That Mein Kampf /Protocols /Irving etc Kool Aid sure is addictive.
Try to curb your irrational hatred. You'll be less angry and less miserable.
Oh don’t worry about me. Exposing Jew haters for who they truly are - pathetic ignorant losers desperately clinging to the Jew scapegoat to blame for all their life’s failures - is my small contribution to the millennia old fight against the worlds most ancient hatred.
Look at this dirtbag’s page. He/she/it/they are antifa.
Read Raz Segal, an Israeli genocide scholar , and you might learn something .
Sadly, the phenomenon of the self hating “kapo Jew” is not uncommon throughout Jewish history. Whether through profound ignorance or some deep seated psychological need (ie Stockholm Syndrome) such individuals turn their backs on their own people, land, culture and history. What they never understand until it is too late is that there is no great success in being on the last train to Auschwitz.
I didn’t realise you were the pope of the Jews
Spoken like a true Hamas-supporter. Go fuck yourself, Jew-hater.
Why must someone expressing concern for what is happening in Gaza a Hamas supporter? Can they also hate the actions of Hamas and the actions of the government of Israel? For the record I pray that the Israeli hostages are returned safely to their families amid this genocide
You don’t even know what a woman is .
Pat Johnson:
“The perpetrators of the “Gaza Genocide” hoax may or may not believe a genocide is actually happening. If they do believe it, they are ignorant of either the definition of the term or what is happening in Gaza, or both. If they don’t believe it but use it as a weapon, they are sadists, not human rights activists.”
“Rape of children”
Please show us where this happened. Such words require evidence.
Got a few things wrong this week, Gary. After Supreme Court made it clear, he doesn't know what a woman is or why women's football must be female only. Not a good look
There is no genocide. However, Hamas' Charter specifies genocide of Zionists = Jews. Follow Jewish Chronicle, Jewish News, Times of Israel. Plus Honest Reporting, CAMERA, Aizenberg, Henry Jackson Society, Hillel Neuer/UN Watch. Plus General Andrew Fox and John Spencer for military analysis.
Read : https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
Considering at least half the world’s Zionists are actually evangelical Christians, not all Zionists can be Jews.
And Not all Jews are Zionists. Gabor Mate, Norman Finklestein, Max Blumenthal.
Especially in America , there are now so many young Jewish people becoming more anti Zionist because the state of Israel is an apartheid and genocidal state … read AI, HRW, B’Tselem
In comparison to Hamas, the death and destruction committed Israel is beyond comprehension.
Pat Johnson:
“The perpetrators of the “Gaza Genocide” hoax may or may not believe a genocide is actually happening. If they do believe it, they are ignorant of either the definition of the term or what is happening in Gaza, or both. If they don’t believe it but use it as a weapon, they are sadists, not human rights activists.”
I know people in Gaza Pat. They send videos from their phones of their houses being blown up, their neighbours' kid's covered in blood, the constant moving, the bombed tents. It isn't a hoax. And denying it is no more acceptable than denying the Holocaust. People are murdered by war - it shouldn't matter who it is - the same people benefit every time; arms dealers, financiers, lobbyists, child-traffickers and money launderers. The fact that people always want to take one side or the other - is why there are so many conflicts.
It’s a damn shame that the government they elected is a fanatical jihadist death cult whose entire raison d’etre is the extermination of the Jews, and who turned their entire country over two decades - with billions of donated international funds - into the largest and most complex terror state in the world.
Actions have consequences. And tragically, the worse the actions the more terrible the consequences.
The Hamas Charter says nothing about the extermination of the Jews - their argument is with the Zionist colonisers (British Empire) who hide behind Jews and Judaism. The death cult are the Satanists who wish to bring the Devil in. But yes, Israel is the largest terror state in the world - probably why they financed Hamas. Anyone seeking to justify what's going on in Gaza, has no soul.
Uhuh.
Not sure which fantasy world your fevered Jew hating brain inhabits but it sure isn’t the real one.
Ok, let’s say it’s not genocide .
Let’s call it ethnic cleansing, extermination, destruction of hospitals , destruction of all vegetation, destruction of water supplies , a siege , starvation, destruction of mosques and churches , destructrion of maternity hospital containing 4000 embryos.
Hmm…. And what was the condition of all this lovely infrastructure on Oct 6?
It’s a damn shame that the government the Gazsns elected is a fanatical jihadist death cult whose entire raison d’etre is the extermination of the Jews, and who turned their entire country over two decades - with billions of donated international funds - into the largest and most complex terror state in the world.
Actions have consequences. And tragically, the worse the actions the more terrible the consequences.
Actually that's not what the Charter says. It says: '16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity'.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
And the Times of Israel in fact confirmed the Hannibal Directive activities of the IDF and IAF on Oct 7. https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officers-invoked-defunct-hannibal-protocol-during-oct-7-fighting-report/
⬆️🚨NUTBAG ALERT⬆️🚨
https://substack.com/@abbasabdulmalik/note/c-118187384?r=4j6y2&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
So the actual death and destruction of the Palestinian people is actually of no relevance because of some hypothetical scenario.
Hamas' actions on October 7th were clearly genocidal and far from hypothetical. They'd kill every Jew in the Middle East if they could; I agree they lack capacity to do so
You obviously don’t know the definition of genocide if you think Hamas’ actions were this.
You don’t need to take my word for it.
I would encourage you to read the South Africa submission to the ICJ, which ruled there was a plausible genocide .
You can also read the work Raz Segal, an Israeli Genocide scholar , as well as B’Tselem, the Israeli human rights organisation.
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
Don't be ridiculous. Hamas is a resistance to an occupation. If Palestine was occupied by Martians, they'd attack the Martians, just as the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel to rid Palestine of the British Occupation. Resistance follows Occupation as night follows day.
"More heart than he has sleeve to wear it on". What a fantastic line.
Essays like this, while indispensable, invariably attract the odd handful of ignorant Jew-hating morons and Islamist terror supporters (like Lineker, but not as adept at kicking a ball around), who willfully expose themselves every time with their gibbering stupidity and bile. See above & below for proof.
Excellent, as ever. Yet more wilful misrepresentation of an intractable conflict by a despicable, dyed-in-the-wool antisemite. Though you couldn’t possibly say that, Howard… ;-)
Bravo
This was very thin gruel. Poor Howard, all upset cos a footie guy is direct with his support for the Palestinians. The rat image was only ever used by the Nazis and isn’t a long standing trope of historical Jew hatred, most would not know this, and Lineker makes no pretence of being well read. Trying to be the smarter dude when genocide is all around is a dismal show of learning and letters. Save your reputation and apologise for this crass tract.
The right wing Israeli government bombing and starving the shit out of people in their homeland is not justified by saying the Jews suffered under Naziism. Black Lives Matter because they shouldn’t be discriminated against in their own home country. Lineker is no match for your intellectualism - neither am I - but thankfully plenty of Jews are also against the war in Gaza - wheeling out old tropes and explaining why you’re offended misses the point. The Israelies are living in a reality of their own creation, they have considerable power and back up in this scenario with which to negotiate with the Arabs and bring about peace.
It is not a war . It is a genocide. It is very simple. And no amount of dissembling and other rubbish changes that.
You're absolutely right. Anti-Zionists *are* genocidal.
I always learn something from Howard. Subscribed.
Thank you, Howard Jacobson